As corporatist-ware, Google’s Chrome browser is naturally more trusting and compatible with Discourse than open-source Mozilla Firefox is supported to be. All these are coded just a few miles apart, with Makani HQ between them. Mozilla is right there in the shadow of Google, fighting the good fight. I use Bing some, for comparison. Its better for AWE searches than Chrome, with less noise from cooked Makani results. Those who use Chrome are forgiven for imagining Makani is succeeding. On other browsers, Joe Faust, kPower, and Open-AWE often outrank Makani.
Of course poor Doug is going to suffer from a DNS issue that Makani players can laugh over. Discourse is a cultural issue, and the DNS problem just happened to line up against Firefox. Its ironic.
The main flaw in Discourse is hidden activity, with too much admin power, and a lack of democratic tools. One can say the same about Google’s relations with AWEurope.
You’re rambling and going off-topic.
This is in no way related to Makani and not a Discourse issue either.
The category is Forum Feedback. It is ironic Firefox choked but not Chrome, even by chance.
Opinions of Google’s role in AWE are important. Moderation seems to think my posting is worse than anything Google has done, including cooking AWE search and criminal convictions in EU. I think Google should have invested its 300m in 300 universities. DNS concern in AWE is “rambling” compared to that.
Doug himself is far more often “rambling and going off-topic” without Admin attention. I am still upset about wrongly moved or hidden technical content on this forum, and it shows.
“All about Knots” was a real AWES technical issue, bungled by undue censorship. “Cosine Functions” was serious engineering science, also bungled. These gaps remain.
DNS error is not as pertinent, but closer to “rambling” “off-topic”, in the core AWE context.
Your posting in the topic violated one of the rules in FAQ - AWESystems Forum
This was explained to you here: Questions and complaints about moderation + unlisted, mostly unmoderated, free discussion - #244 by Windy_Skies like many moderation decisions are.
Also the comments from everyone about the claim were off-topic. There’s a rule about that as well. I would have moved that off-topic discussion on the basis of that alone.
I also don’t know if it’s worth noting, but most or all posts of yours that were deleted in the mentioned topics, you deleted yourself. Maybe you should be criticizing yourself for “undue censorship” as well.
By participating in the discussions here you agree to be bound by the rules of this forum.
As one who suffered from 12 years of Joe’s censorship whenever I tried to counter your daily doses of disinformation, I find it fitting that you are now finally experiencing what it is like to be the target of censorship, rather than the beneficiary of censorship. It’s like when the old forum died, you were sent to an appropriate version of hell. What I kept thinking, almost every day for those 12 years, besides you two combined knew nothing about wind energy, was a wish that you two could ever be in a position to experience what it felt like to have your posts that you put a lot of your heart, soul, spirit, being, time, energy, knowledge and effort into, deleted by someone who simply did not want to hear what you said, while pretending to be running an open forum. Well at least I finally got half of my wish - Joe doesn’t really post much but Dave, welcome to the “you are now tied up and gagged” club - it couldn’t have happened to a nicer guy.
I’ve come to believe that the urge to “moderate” (censor) supposedly-open conversations reflects a “personality type”. There is a basic human urge to “make a difference”, to “be heard”, to express one’s opinions. In the case of technical discussions, some people really don’t have much to say, but if they can place themselves in the position of “monitor” they can “be heard” comparatively at least, by silencing others. While I find the censorship here petty and annoying, I think it was worse under Joe. You wouldn’t know, since you were protected rather than victimized by it in the old forum. Very sad in both cases, but glad to see you finally experiencing the other end of it. Evidence that a just God does exist? Maybe overstating the case, but you get the idea. My opinion.
Doug has never once presented a censored text from the Old Forum. We help him find any post in the archives that he can provide key-words for. His persistent troubles searching the Old Forum are not the fault of anyone of us.
This the Forum where censorship has taken root. I have been copying wrongly censored texts to the Moderators. They do not dispute the censorship, but applaud it.
For years, Dave Santos sends large quantities of unsolicited emails on a daily basis.
A large portion of these emails is in (irrelevant and/or hostile) response to forum comments, and would not take place if the forum was not accessible to him. He makes this or that excuse, but his account allows him to post on the forum, yet he prefers to flood email inboxes. It is time for this continual harassment to stop, at least as far as possible.
The above 6-year-old statement from Santos is like the return of a bad dream. They censored me so many times it became routine, often with Joe sending me the reasons why.
In one case it was “You can’t just say “idiots, idiots, idiots””. (I’m like really, you have evidence that I’m wrong???")
Another time it was “You can’t use the term “Professor Crackpot” because it might dissuade a real professor from participating” (And of course Im paraphrasing here)
Another time Joe explained to me that I could not tell Roddy he was “listening to the wrong people” When I explained to Roddy that he’d need hard blades to make real power, in the face of Santos’ insistence on “rag-and-string” as the only answer. He literally told me I coould not say “wrong people” in describing Santos, after censoring my post. And yet the liar goes on…
I mean, this stuff is SO ridiculous, SO completely wrong, and yet they even lie about their lying! Of course they do! Liars lie! They can’t stop themselves! it’s all they’ve got! Hard to comprehend for honest people!
What amazes me is how easily some people fall into just outright lying!!! This endless lying by this single person specifically, had actually become a main topic in the old forum! But then Joe censored even those posts, saying we could not “prove” santos “knew” his statements were untrue. so technically we could not “prove” they were intentional “lies”. And yet the liar goes on with his lies that there was no censorship!!!
Look at everything he’s said for the ensuing 6 years. What promises has he made? What of it has turned out to be true? Anything? As I’ve long pointed out, one of the biggest places where people lie is about their own future actions! The one thing they actually have control over, and yet it is the main source of lies for many people! In AWE, it goes across the board - no promise to power a certain number of homes or the grid in general, by any company, has ever come true.
I’ll tell you one thing, this idea of WASTING EVEN A SINGL MINUTE OF MY TIME ADDRESSING THE IGNORANCE OF THE LIES ABOUT THEIR LIES, BY LIARS IS NOT A VALID USE OF MY TIME. IT’S NOTHING BUT AN ILLOGICAL RABBIT-HOLE THAT LEADS NOWHERE. bETTER TO JUST IGNORE IDIOTS AND LIARS. THE WORLD WWILL ALWAYS HAVE THEM, AND THEY ARE NOT WORTH MY TIME. I did not mean to use all caps there, just somehow had hit caps lock accidentally. But not going to fix it - too much time wasted on nonsense as it is. have a wonderful day! 
Another spam today, once again based on a forum comment, and the day isn’t over yet.
Indeed, at the very moment,three more unsolicited group emails (i.e., spam) arrived, two of which mentioned the forum. Yet @kitefreak could post on the forum.
Starting from here, there is some disjointed context on that, or parts of the conversation are missing: Questions about Moderation - #188 by kitefreak
Until he takes a more critical view on his own writing, linking to sources and not making overly broad claims not backed by the sources for example, a return to the forum is likely short-lived. I recommended an academic writing course. Also he now is, unbelievably, using an LLM as a scientific authority, so the recommendation for the course stands, with now an extra course on what LLMs are and are not, and can and cannot do:
Also until he takes a more critical view on his own behaviour (he apparently sends out unwanted spam, for example) and hostile attitude (yes this forum is moderated, for example) and apologizes for it, there is no good precondition for his reintegration on the forum. He was met with hostility the last time he came back. An appeal, an apology and a promise to do better, would have helped.
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Several years ago, I was “on the fence” as to whether Minesto could succeed with its underwater version of Makani’s “drag” device (to use the erroneous terminology of Loyd).
On the one hand, being underwater removed the “gravity problem”, which had been a main problem for Makani. But on the other hand, both of the guys associated with running the old forum were decidedly optimistic toward the ultimate success of Minesto, citing the experience of the team’s background with Saab, designing jet fighters(?)
One thing I knew from wind energy - a background in other technologies, even seemingly similar, held no advantage in wind energy, and may have even been a net negative, because it gave unwarranted confidence to people who were still, ultimately, newbies subject to making all the typical newbie mistakes.
I decided to “get off the fence” and “go out on a limb”!
I declared publicly that, due to this pair, with their track record of wrong statements alone, I was officially predicting the failure of Minesto. I was basing my prediction for failure on nothing but these two guys’ predictions for success - no other reason was needed. I said the only thing wrong with it, as with so many “gamechanger” inventions, was its main feature - in this case, using a kite.
Besides the potential problems of managing a hollow enclosure full of high-voltage electrical equipment under salt water, and the potential problems of tether drag and wear, in my mind, I had no better negative indicator than the statements of approval by these two characters.
Yet I went out on a limb, and said I thought Minesto would fail, based only on the prediction of success by these two.
More recently, I seem to recall Roddy, and maybe someone else from this current group of online AWE fans, reiterate their own approvals or predictions of success for Minesto.
Well, here are the recent facts: After their recent “successful” testing, Minesto has laid off half of their employees. They’ve decided to try to raise more cash by diluting their present shareholders, at which point their stock dropped in half.
Click on the 6-month chart:
Minesto AB (publ) (MINEST.ST) Stock Price, News, Quote & History - Yahoo Finance
My observation now, from reading a few press-releases, is that they’ve hit the typical point where their “innovation” is not bearing economic fruit, in the sense of providing more affordable electricity, after all.
As with wind energy, there are apparently “a million ways” to generate “some amount” of electricity, “at some cost”. Only the likelihood of achieving such lower cost will be considered a success. Otherwise, you have another “blooper”, destined for the underwater version of the La Brea Tar Pits. All predicted. We will see how it all goes, eh? :)))
Dave Santos sents spam on a daily basis for years. 2/3 or 3/4 or more come from comments on the forum. So these spam could be avoided if the forum were made invisible to him, a bit like it has been for everyone recently. Could that be possible?
Hi Pierre, I disagree with this, forum should stay open for readers; I have asked him several times stopping spamming me without success, then I have configured my email account so that his emails go directly in a spam folder. I can help you on this if needed. If most of it is garbage (mainly his malevolent replies), he might share interesting news.
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Hi Baptiste,
I don’t agree with many things, but I share some points of view. The forum should remain open to readers, but not to Dave Santos, who uses it daily to attack users, organizers, and AWE companies with unsolicited emails. Email harassment is not moderated and is prohibited.
Everything he writes ends up in my spam folder, but I can’t delete it automatically because I risk losing important emails from other source.
Furthermore, everything he could say has already been discussed thousands of times on this forum (in addition to the previous one), in the “Advanced Kite Networks” thread and other topics to which I’ve contributed extensively.
His spam is nothing but toxicity. I don’t accept his slanderous remarks which he sends en masse to unsolicited recipients.
@Windy_Skies , @tallakt , @Rodread, @rschmehl ,
I will therefore reiterate my request to make the forum invisible to Dave Santos aka @kitefreak, and only him. If this is technically possible, it would allow us to remove his main source of food for his daily spams.
I think it is hard because he could always create more accounts. If he is quiet he would probably go unnoticed.
I also think its too harsh.
Email spam is another issue but only slightly related to the forum. Those must be solved in the email domain in my opinion. It may help to report the abuse to your email provider. In any case, any emails with him on the sender or recipient list should not be very important. So clearly spam filtering is a clean solution
Would it be instead technically possible to allow him to post only in a single forum canal/thread ? This way he can say what he wants without disturbing other forum canals ?
He can post here:
AWEIA (about us)
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Signed — John Adeoye Oyebanji — Founding Director pro-tem — Dave Santos — Carin E. Cole