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When I first looked at the concept. it looked like modular pontoons you get for a few k a pop.
Just caught after after a a few hellish days.
As @Windy_Skies mentions wood being prototype freindly. Good as any place to start. Wonder if a wind version could benefit from lifting elements? Though admit a little wayward. It did remind a lot of mulberry harbours from ww2.
But that a completely different idea. Though there have been a few companies that looked into using similar principles for wave power. Oscillating water column and tidal barrages. What swel made. Is an awesome concept in principle. Though I can’t say how practical it is. There is a design based on a buoys that Ankers to the sea floor. With the non stationary part doing all the work. To me it seems that this is just an array of them, All linked up. It did remind me also of streamer the majorettes use.
Options are there. I’ve noticed that the pressure wake gets mentioned. there must be away to use that to someone advantage? Even if it used as a baffle to direct incoming energy.
Just a ornicopter mechanism. Though I was thinking of variable eccentric For both wind and wave. I wonder how it would apply itself to swel? More engineering noms. trying to remember what out there and put it to greater use.
Another mechanism that could work? As a inline wave generator.
I’ve a mind for variable eccentrics. Might also do well with wind? Depends how you attach streamers?
An example of the environmental and safety hazards of wave energy
Yep that looks about right. High winds wrecking a spud platform. Even had the same issue with the d-day landings. If done right? Faced it to the general direction of wind and waves. The whole rig should act like bridge piers. given enough time an artificial reef can form. Forgive me I don’t think that a negative. It highlights proper placement of these in line wave energy devices. Deeper water would be more appropriate. Should account for most tidal ranges. Ankered off shore. In 60m-100m of water should do the trick. If it looks like there’s going to be a problem? do something different. Should eliminate or minimise the issue completely. Most reefs are in shallow water rarely deeper that light can penetrate. Below 200m you usually reach a twilights/dark zone.
The guys that managed to get some of the deep water oil rigs might know a thing or two more that I do here especially on the Ankers. You have the added bonus that you have greater swells in the deep oceans. So more opportunities to get to grips with. If environmental damage is the main problem? Then take the appropriate steps to mitigate. Much like the guys on the oil rigs did with contact Ankers. If the storm conditions enter danger levels? it could always go into a submarine mode… minimising damage to equipment it may still work as well under water? If close enough to the swells? That it has a suction force acting upon it? Then everything’s gravy. Also bare in mind that there is a huge issue with old ships more over what to do with them? Fairly sure the retrofitters would love a go at them. Essentially it just a boat at anker able to generate electricity. Not the first generator ship idea I know of. Sure it’s a fair bit of work. Especially adding the equipment in. If they used to be able to turn around battle damaged aircraft carriers? Uss Yorktown being a good example. this should be a sinch for them. You can have a whole fleet of them. Especially if you can plug a play. Chittagong is a major site of ship braking. So if these ships can be headed of before they meet the reapers torch. Then about 25% of global energy can be made this. You would also have a platform to test new ideas. Or even ad too. If one of these ship could be retrofitted? With most the existing technology. I don’t see why a GW plant wouldn’t be possible. You do get ship able to send submarine through a porthole. That have not sunk during operation. You can get tidal& oscillating water columns. Plus the in lines wave. Plus wind and solar. Plus any energy that can be generated of the Ankers. As a giant solenoid. You could say it game on.
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I’m aware of,
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Though never see one that’s completely green.
Even with my imagination it get interesting the ways this could go.
If standing still then it can generate some of the need electricity.
Honestly there’s many way to go with this. That even AWEs could stake a claim to retrofitting for a kite powered powered ship.
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A vessel can’t stand still if it is to be used for AWE. It will drift downwind. The bigger the AWE pull, the more downwind motion. This is a loss both in terms of having to go back upwind later, losing effective windspeed by going downwind, and no apparent wind generated from sailing forward. So ideally such a ship should be a sailboat with a keel.
Alternatively one may anchor the vessel. But the pulling forces are quite enormous, so this may be a bit difficult to do ad-hoc.
We should also respect that the size of the AWE rig mounted on such a vessel should be as big as possible. It’s not going to be a tiny kite on a huge vessel. More like a sailboat I expect.
Bare in mind lads that them big ship have huge spools. My thinking on this was going a few way. You have the massive parachute kites. Or you standard flexible wing. Even the multitude of kite designs on here. If it likely to pull down wind the. That could be and advantage especially of it ankered the anker lines are giving slack to generate some of the power. I believe there is a complex ankering system out to hold ship steady. Like I said load of ways to go about it.
I know this is a bit of a old vid but as a starter it not bad. To demonstrate ankering. It even mentioned types of Ankers. For a better idea. Also dynamic ankering system.
Likely to be present on certain vessels. Though I can’t say how many. Oil rig are known to use them to keep them stationary above a selected drill site. I hope a little more context helps? There are some beasts of Ankers out there. Some as big as a house. Usually safety operation must be observed. Especially because anyone hit definitely won’t be feeling anything afterwards. I wouldn’t want to be the one that has to clean that horror show up. That certainly would ruin you day. It would be a vital step toward green powership. Regardless of developmental vector. I don’t know where things are today? definitely a few starter examples.
I think you proved my point. The first is a really complicated subsea gear and the second DP system can’t be used for AWE because producing the required upwind thrust to not drift will probably consume electricity more than you produce
Though right in one aspect. Though not accounting tidal shift, oceanic currents or riptides. Allowing for low energy hall in anker lines. Plus mechanical advantage. Even if you use lift bags where needed? to reduce the energy requirements. The same way they lifted a plate section from the titanic. Or many of the artefacts ever recovered from the sea floor. It depends on what the top number is compare to expected production? If the top number is more than the energy it take to hall in the anker lines? Net power can be created. Adversely like you say. if the top number is greater then then expect power generation? Negative losses will occur.
It just about making sure That the energy gained his higher than the requirements needed to hall it back in. It might be a bit out of the box view on it. Plus you have
Incredible Modern Monster Ship Anchor Handling Offshore Technology, How To Loading Anchor Working #2 - YouTube the spool that can be a generator itself. So there we go.
I used to be on onboard keeping comms up for rig moves quite frequently. (>20 years ago)
There was a lot of anchor handling. Jeez it’s noisy.
Those Bruce anchors were massive. Each chainlink as big as myself.
Really like that Stevtensioning video. ta.
Dynamic positioning is on like everything now. Often installed comms tied to that for the moves.
@Freeflying please for the love of the wee man just spell with us - Anchor
@Rodread
Spelled it that way for years. Just googled how I was spelling it. Realised that tossing one of these over the side wouldn’t help. Bit of a difference there.
So anchors? Ankers? Much be a regional thing? Or preferential mistakes? Seems like heaven almighty was have a laugh at my expense? The irony! The worst bit is I hadn’t realised. Nor was unaware of alternative point of view. Thanks for the enlightenment. Supposed to create power! instead of tossing it overboard?
Neither spelling show up on spell check. Or predicted text. Stunned, have my own theories about that. Tower of Babel stuff. Some minion creating havoc in the English language. We all so engrossed that nobody noticed. So reliant on predictive text that a key skill like spelling goes a miss. Interesting but alarming all the same. If this was Middle English I’d be doing fine?! Chaucer Was known to spell the same word many many ways. Well I guess it what you know and when you know it?
New song idea:
“I once had a hankerin’ ta do some ankerin’, but then I got a canker sore…”
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Sounds like the wurzels for sure. Be it blackbirds or your combined harvester. Suggested lines: With no dinner or tea, a bore was he. A sore that left work undone. No energy for the maid, or the parade. The Anker’s left ashore!
Wouldn’t be out of place in a Irish bar,or a Scottish kaley, or a West Country mead hall. Especially as the music get going. Drinks flowing. Everyone’s having a song dance and a laughing. The buffet table full as well. Everything swel/swell. A party a feast indeed.
https://www.facebook.com/reel/3137191139866848
Thought I’d share this link. As liked the mechanism this guy has on his boat.
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