Welcome to Airborne Wind Energy [Discussion Topic]

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Discussion topic / Talk page for Welcome to Airborne Wind Energy

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AI is a bullshit generator. It bullshits without knowledge of reality. You have to verify and correct everything it does. Here it was used as a crutch to start the topic. That is okay only as long as the topic starter, @Rodread, commits himself to correcting the output. Since so much bullshit was generated, that is a big commitment. Other people can help, but the person who should feel most responsible for correcting the bullshit, and adding sources, is the person who posted it.

I don’t mind looking over the text from time to time, but I am fundamentally not very interested in or knowledgeable about what other people are doing or have done in AWE, I focus on my own thing, so I can only be of limited help. I hope other people besides @Rodread feel like helping out.

[Rodread]

Gosh

Well I read over and rewrote the original and removed anything I thought reeked of BS

Sure if there’s anything wrong … yeah let’s edit it.

[Windy_Skies]

Every single word and link needs to be checked and every statement needs a reference, because you just don’t know if it was hallucinated. An AI is about the most unreliable narrator that you can have. I hope you see that. If you don’t, you will be happy to leave things as they are, leaving it to others to fix the hallucinations, cleaning the mess. There is no “if,” my first guess is that there are a hundred things wrong with it. I’d like to see references for every statement.

It’s okay to use it as a start, because editing an existing document can feel easier than starting from scratch. But you do have to do the editing.

Other companies, however, have made significant progress toward market entry. SkySails Power, a German company, announced the launch of what it described as the “world’s first fully autonomous commercial ‘airborne wind energy’ (AWE) system” in Mauritius in late 2021. This substantial wing has been consistently delivering close to its target of 100 kilowatts. This achievement highlights a crucial transition within the industry, moving beyond research and development to concrete, albeit small-scale, commercial operations, thereby signaling a new phase in its lifecycle.

Other companies have made progress toward market entry. SkySails Power announced the launch of what it described as the “world’s first fully autonomous commercial ‘airborne wind energy’ (AWE) system” in Mauritius in late 2021. This system has been consistently[2] delivering close to its target of 100 kilowatts. This achievement could be a first step toward moving beyond research and development to concrete, albeit small-scale, commercial operations.

That was a first quick pass, it needs more passes, statements checked, and references added. And of course: why was only Skysails mentioned for example.

[Rodread]

Oh nice start with the links

Thanks for that.

There’s a couple broken ones as browsed from here

The [1] link gave that

I should get some time to add more of them this weekend

[Windy_Skies]

Yeah, those https://yourreferencehere.edu/ are placeholders. You can do a full-text search on your sources to find the exact reference.

[Windy_Skies]

Unsourced statements from Freeman Dyson aren’t okay https://youtu.be/fLzEX1TPBFM?t=1374 (but there’s a relevant twist). They also aren’t okay from an AI. I’ll remove this as a banner topic at the beginning of November if it isn’t on a good path by then.

You would expect a welcome topic to have no gross inaccuracies and omissions, and that most statements are sourced so that the reader, who is by definition interested as they are reading the thing, can learn more.

This shouldn’t be that difficult as there are already histories of AWE, classification schemes, every company has their own version on their website of why AWE makes sense, and there are studies looking at the advantages and disadvantages of things.

A better prompt would probably be to ask for which sources talked about the people and companies mentioned for example. You could also do a text search on them. That might take you to AWE histories. You can then ask it to summarize those for example. Then you know the sources, so you can correct mistakes in the summaries and cite the sources.

[Rodread]

Yeah apologies for the delay

Mad times here

I’m moving back to Lewis

And was on a sponsored walk for 16 hours yesterday

[Rodread]

Hi Windy

Just tried editing the welcome to the forum post on a couple different browsers but keep getting this message show up

Token type `html_raw` not supported by Markdown parser

There’s an empty edit box

What’s happened there?

[Windy_Skies]

Click on the blue A here, probably:

I don’t know why you can’t use the other edit mode, I also can’t there.

[Windy_Skies]

A link from the ChatGPT responses:

2017-volume-9-issue-6--2071-1050-9-6-915-.pdf

sustainability Review *Comparing Patent and Scientific Literature in Airborne Wind Energy Anny Key de Souza Mendonça , Caroline Rodrigues Vaz, Á lvaro Guillermo Rojas Lezana, Cristiane Alves Anacleto and Edson Pacheco Paladini Department of Industrial and Systems Engineering, Federal University of Santa Catarina, Florian ó polis, 88040-900 Santa Catarina, Brazil; caroline.vaz@posgrad.ufsc.br (C.R.V.); alvaro.lezana@ufsc.br ( Á .G.R.L.); cristianeanacleto@yahoo.com.br (C.A.A.); paladini@floripa.com.br (E.P.P.) ***** Correspondence: annykeymendonca@posgrad.ufsc.br; Tel.: +55-48-3721-7024 Academic Editor: Tomonobu Senjyu Received: 20 February 2017; Accepted: 25 May 2017; Published: 31 May 2017

Abstract: Airborne Wind Energy (AWE) is a renewable energy technology that uses wind power devices rather than traditional wind turbines that take advantage of the kinetic wind energy, and remain in the air due to aerodynamic forces. This article aims to compare the scientific literature with the patents on wind power with tethered airfoils, to obtain better insights into the literature of this area of knowledge. The method used in this study was a comparative bibliometric analysis, using the Web of Science and Derwent Innovations Index databases, and the Network Analysis Interface for Literature Review software and VosViewer. It was possible to verify the main authors, research centers and companies, countries and journals that publish on the subject; the most cited documents; the technological classes; and the networks of collaborations of this work. It was also possible to identify that researches on wind energy with tethered airfoils began their studies in the late 1970 s with the first patent apparently dated from 1975 by the inventors Dai and Dai. The first scientific publication was in 1979 by authors Fletcher and Roberts, followed by Loyd in 1980. United States is the country that presented the highest number of patents and scientific papers. Both scientific papers and patents set up networks of collaboration; that is, important authors are interacting with others to establish cooperative partnerships

Keywords: airborne wind energy; patents; literature review

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And another First kite-powered vehicle | Guinness World Records

[Rodread]

Thanks
Never noticed this button before
Is it new?

[Rodread]

oh yeah I was vexed we (AI) left George Pocock from the original

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Airborne Wind Energy | AWESCO - Airborne Wind Energy System Modelling,...

[Rodread]

It’s a great intro to AWES for sure.
Brings the pressure off the AWES forum having to be so novel

I do have a gripe with this contradiction on their intro…

The essence of airborne wind energy is to replace material constraints (passive) by control algorithms (active). This is the great potential but at the same time also the challenge of the technology.
Using a lightweight tether in place of a tower and its foundation removes most of the mechanical constraints of the system.

That’s odd… software is the key but Tethers is what works

[Rodread]

The AWESCO . EU history of AWES is euro-yo-yo-centric
but hey ho we’re all used to that
The site is also long due an update (Who am I to talk…)
The last 3 links in the header are useless
Wiki is closed access, research gate link deprecated, linkedIn - nothing there

Another attempt at AWES overall description has recently been published

From inception to commercialization: A systematic review of airborne wind energy systems

There’s a lot in this and
This must have been hard for Tarek and crew to write

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/397159459_From_inception_to_commercialization_A_systematic_review_of_airborne_wind_energy_systems

soo many configurations and complexities… trying to represent it all in such a short form without expressing opinions - impossible
There are parts of this report which make me wonder how much was human generated…
Inevitable that we question like that these days .. but I shouldn’t judge others by my slovenly sloppy standards