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Whenever I hear an American accent describe fluid energy systems
Iâm like⊠How can a turban do that?
Turban
Turbine
We love the Turbans here i Norway. Am I the only one getting the Norwegian wikipedia article?
Funny guys. Wow itâs always back to the first day in wind energy 101 here, eh? Could we please hear a turbine/turban joke again? Were they ever funny? Turn⊠Turd⊠Turbulence⊠Turgid⊠TurmoilâŠ
Ever notice how Brits donât pronounce an R at the end of a word unless there is no R, then they add one? We have special speech classes here for leaving out the R. Adding one - well some cities back East tend to do that occasionally.
Guys please just donât nitpick the rest of us for being âoff-topicâ, irreverent, poking fun at people, simply having fun, violating whatever the ârulesâ seem to be at any given moment depending on your mood, or rambling, idle musings, etc., K? Remember, âthis is supposed to be a technical discussionâ, (sweat drops flying out from head) right? No having fun, or youâll be sent to the central office where the headmaster has a spanking machine. Thank you. We now return to our regularly-scheduled programâŠ
I just scrolled for a picture I liked ⊠happened to be the Norwegian one.
Fair point Doug, Iâll go get sensibler argain
Just to clarify, this is a different dude than the âPeter Sharpâ (inventor of the Sharp Rotor) weâre used to chatting with. Havenât heard from Peter lately - I wonder whatâs up with him these days?
BTW I think CFD software is great, but you donât necessarily need it to do what we do, any more than a plumber needs it to properly connect pipes, or any more than you need to do a kinetics analysis to turn a wrench. (spanner). The term âParalysis by analysisâ comes to mind. Just sayinââŠ
Does a tennis star need to major in engineering to use his body properly?
Does a guitarist need a degree in mechanical engineering, with an emphasis on harmonics, vibration, and Fourier analysis, to coax the strings into producing beautiful music?
I have a hang-glider pilot friend who often laments the lack of roll control available through weight-shift-initiated turning. The glider does add some extra roll through its geometry, but he says he wants the kind of aerobatic abilities of a stunt-plane. Says he wants to do barrel-rolls. After more than 40 years of flying hang gliders, this former legend is so frustrated by the lack of control that he stopped even flying. Says glider technology stopped evolving in the 1980âs, and he feels that a major problem is the more expensive âhigh-performanceâ gliders only target competitions where glide-ratio counts more than maneuverability. Funny, high-performance gliders have lower maneuverability and are harder to turn than beginner gliders, but they have âlegsâ, meaning they can glide much further at the expense of easy maneuvering. That is why beginners are cautioned to not try to fly a high-performance glider. Reminds me of my downhill racing skis, long and stiff, harder to turn. I had a well-regarded slalom racer switch skis with me and he quickly wanted to switch back saying âI canât turn these things!â Good, I said, cuz your skis feel like bedroom slippers to me! How can you stand these things?" I am so used to Downhill and Super-G skis that they turn very easy for me, are fantastic over jumps, and when everyone else is complaining about ice, I am still getting my edges to cut in just fine. Like hang-glider wings, skis have âcamberâ and the high-performance models are long, narrow, stiff, and âhard to turnâ. Right now it is snowing up there!
Yippee!
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Not every plumber is linking 1 domestic pipe to another all day. That said - some ex-oilrig workers I wouldnât trust at home.
CFD has a very definite place in high performance systems design in plumbing, tennis, music ⊠anywhere with enough cash to warrant a performance gain from fluid interaction studies.
Yep some parts of AWES design can be a bit more scissors, string & glue, cut and paste ⊠Practical skills always remain but get more complex as design performance evolves. But beyond conceptual design or small scale modelling and building - changes have to be justified
OK so my posts are being sent to this invisible place?
This is wrong.
Iâm convinced there is a syndrome that people who want to moderate airborne wind energy discussions, or maybe online discussions in general, are brain-damaged in some way.
As though there is nothing to what I said.
As though Makaniâs promises were kept and their rig ran fine.
I would say that this is one more case of persecuting someone who simply tells the truth, as Galileo was persecuted for saying the Earth orbits the sun. Of course today, âeveryoneâ agrees that Galileo was right and puttiing him under house arrest because the astronomers of the day declared the heliocentric reality as preposterous was in error.
But we humans never seem to learn our lessons. Nope, visionaries clearly ahead of their time must be silenced.
Wubbo - famous for âladdermillâ until it came out I had invented it as a kid, then moved on to design, patent, build, and run an airborne SuperTurbineâą that was the centerfold Invention of the Year in Popular Science June 2008, putting airborne wind energy on the popular map. Me: Designing and manufacturing wind energy devices that run trouble-free for years.
The rest: Spending a billion dollars for nothing. Silencing any simple truth.
Great - maybe you donât deserve to know the truth about anything.
Have fun running one more dishonest excuse for an open forum, kids.
It did seem strict to me too but ⊠was it relevant to the old topic⊠meh loosely ⊠was it as important as the heliocentric view dispute⊠noâŠ
Is there a link showing the conversation that was removed to here ⊠yes
If anyone wants to know what it was ⊠theyâll find it
House arrest⊠Youâre out on the slopes every dayâŠ
This has no place on this forum.
Wow I just saw this thread. What I was protesting against was the gleeful newbie-esque latching onto the cult-like enforced ignorance of Dave Santos in the previous forum, characterizing any patent he didnât like as âblocking patentsâ (rather than enabling patents). The subtle insertion of inappropriate words into every statement to mischaracterize reality was disturbing. The idea of finding âreasonsâ to shut out dissenting (normal) thoughts was absurd and exasperating. Wideswept and exasperating. The idea there was to promote nonsense, then censor anyone who stood up for ânormalâ. It;s like teenagers throwing rocks through somebody;s window and claiming the person deserves it because they have a job, while the kids are unemployed and unable to fathom having a job, cuz it would be a bother, so anyone with a job is âbadâ. Totally unproductive. The funny thing is, Iâve come to believe itâs a personality-type. YOu can see the same dynamic over all social media these days - agree with the founders or be eliminated - no dissenting voices, (no normal thought) allowed. These forums are clearly started to give the founders/promoters a âvoiceâ, with the convenient ability to simple delete or censor any other voice. If one did not start such a forum, the next best thing is to get named as a âmoderatorâ, to perpetuate the same basic result: silence any voice besides oneâs own. It is a tactic to avoid open discussion, which is the opposite of a âforumâ. Sure, just delete other peoplesâ posts! No problem. Maybe they should give a prize for silencing anyone who has a clue about anything. Iâd say the honest thing might have been to explain why after years of gang-nitpicking patentholders, you realized you were wrong, or something. Hey, the patent system is not the answer to everything and it has its bad points. Some explanation rather than just getting named âmoderatorâ and deleting any discussion of it - what the heck is that, like a little kid kicking other kids out of his yard cuz they won a game, or what? Do you think your progress is related to âmoderatingâ (silencing) the thoughts of others on these forums? Many inventors decide to just press on and produce quality products without participating in the patent system, which I also agree with. It is just the system that is in place. To participate or not is an individual decision. Iâll tell you, this kind of discussion makes me think it is a complete waste of time to participate in such âforumsâ. Real wind energy discussion groups do not have these problems. I had mistakenly believed it was due to just a couple of problematic people before, but I now realize it is a widespread syndrome.
Oh I read and didnât know what post you were referring to @dougselsam
Yes I was a green newbie and definitely influenced a bit by the freedom of the net and society thinking.
But I donât see it as anything like throwing stones.
My latest sponsor is an rather enormous oil interest who knows my business is to destroy their core interest and they are happy to help me. Weird eh? Actually sensible. Change hurts but we all gotta grow
The reference was indicated on the initial Dougâs comment but is gone now âŠ
The deletion of this comment proves Doug right.
One must be able to approve or disapprove of what is said, instead of constantly wanting to âmoderateâ. But since the fashion here is moderation we could delete a lot of comments, comprising those unrelated to AWE, such as those suggesting structures from biomimicry; well maybe with a little luck we will be able to cultivate AWES in his garden âŠ, or the comments insisting on the requirement to know the cost of the space used whereas this one is in first considered in terms of density, what is understood by those interested in the energy fieldâŠ
But after all it may be that an AWE forum turns into a forum of moderators via the culture of between oneself, from those who decide what is good or not to publish, on supposedly objective criteria but in fact reflecting prejudices that are not admitted as such.
âDo what I say, not what I doâ: this is a moderate motto.
OK so I get this cryptic email saying my post was âhiddenâ due to being âoff-topicâ. Translation: Iâm not drinking the Kool-Aid.
The email says I can edit the âhiddenâ post and possibly bring it into compliance with the only allowed opinion - the naive viewpoint of the Kool-Aid drinkers and promoters.
Only thing is, every time this happens, I do not find the links in the email actually lead to my deleted (âhiddenâ?) post, nor do the links offer a way to modify the post to agree with the Kool-Aid drinkers.
Annoyingly and seemingly unfairly, there is also no way to know who deleted my message, no way to ask anyone about how to modify the message - nothing. Seems like the whole situation is being misrepresented, with the offered âsolutionâ not being actually available.
Meanwhile I have news for the Kool-Aid drinkers:
After 13 Years of hype, one more paper pretending to have the answer to the first, most basic question ever asked in AWE: âflygen? groundgen?â is not going to get anyone anywhere. Iâd say if people are still stuck at, and mystified by, such basic questions, while pretending to have broad answers that carry any meaning, give it up.
This takes us back to the very beginning of the current AWE hype cycle. Feels like weâre back the year 2009, where the big buzz was: âFlygen? Groundgen?ââŠ
High-level thinking? - pseudo-intellectual beard-stroking?
Stay tuned for our next exciting episode, where we explore the pressing issue of: âlow-level jetsâ, ânocturnal jetsââŠ
or
âIs there really wind up there?â
Off topic.
You can ask in this topic. Chances are it will be me, as it was in this case.
Iâve explained my reasoning enough times now that Iâm not going to keep repeating it. You can guess at it. If you canât or need a reminder, hereâs the previous topic: Questions and complaints about moderation + unlisted, mostly unmoderated, free discussion
Windy you are the one who has to âguessâ at everything. Like the people running the last forum, you are resistant to factual content. I can pretty-much guarantee that closed-minded wannabe-know-it-alls like you will never achieve anything whatsoever in the field of AWE.